Speed Radar protection??

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By Falconas on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 08:49 am:  View Falconas's Profile Search for other posts by Falconas Edit this post

Last week i took my first ever speed ticket(was lucky i think until now...), for only 146Kph
I was trying to explain to the cop that his machine must be broken, that i was sleeping or that i haven't put the new pipes and chip yet, but he wouldn't write more Kph!!!
Anyway here in Greece the cops starting to give a lot of speed tickets using speed radars.
So please suggest a good speed radar protector for both a radar gun or fixed radars.
Anybody already have one?
Does it work?
How much time before does it warn you?
Are they expensive?
I think that for the radar gun, will be difficult to sense it because the cop have it lowered and use it only when you pass by. So how the protector, protects you?
Hope you can help 

By Twowheels78 on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 09:22 am:  View Twowheels78's Profile Search for other posts by Twowheels78 Edit this post

I feel your pain...actually twice your pain, and that's just this summer

I've got one in the car (saved my @ss more then once!) but I don't have one on the bike. In one of the more recent motorcyclist magazines I saw a product called the stem stand, I also posted it on here, check the archives. It mounts in the steering stem and provides a place to mount the radar detector. I thought about getting one, however my problem is that you won't be able to hear the radar detector when it goes off. I heard someone say once that they make radar detectors specifically for bikes that have headphones, but I've never seen one. Hope this helps. 

By John1000 on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 09:54 am:  View John1000's Profile Search for other posts by John1000 Edit this post

Don�t know if they work in Greece but in the U.K the Geodesy Unite is the best thing since sliced bread. I have one on the bike and have found it very good, it will give you ample warning of any fixed speed camera and will pin point it to a meter with flashing lights and a buzzer. They are expensive but then so are points on your licence and fines.
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By Befbever on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:20 am:  View Befbever's Profile Search for other posts by Befbever Edit this post


Okay guys, this is the bee's knees:
http://www.anti-radar.com
It not only warns you but jams the radar as well!
If you get caught owning one in this country, you get a huge fine, your vehicle will be impounded and you're likely to spend time in jail as well.
Shows you it works eh?

Btw, I don't have one.  

By Exdukenut on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 06:04 pm:  View Exdukenut's Profile Search for other posts by Exdukenut Edit this post

You guys are really lucky. It's been made illegal to have one in a car or on a bike for the last 5 years. They can impound your car if you refuse to take it off. And they get to keep it as well (ie you must present it to the cop station).

 

By Steeltoe on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 09:20 pm:  View Steeltoe's Profile Search for other posts by Steeltoe Edit this post

Here in the USA, I have a stemstand with a Valentine 1, hard wired. I can hear it if I turn it up full blast. Saved my ass numerous times.
It is probably the best availble here. Picks up
and counts bogies with laser, ka, k, and x band.
Forwards and rearwards.  

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 03:33 am:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

I have the motorcycle version of the Bel 996 Remote fitted on my RSV. It is a four part detector with 1. Radar Detector unit, 2. Laser detector unit, 3. display unit with button for turning on and off and LED strength meter, 4. small but very bright LED that flashes to warn of radar/laser (I have seen picture of them with a much larger light on a mini boom, but I think the LED has replaced these). In the UK radar detectors are legal so I have the display unit on top of the instruments, but the only part that needs to be visible is the warning LED and the laser detector (tell the cops the LED's an upshift light or something if they question you about it, not that they will). I have yet to fit the laser unit (and probably won't bother). I have hidden the radar detector unit inside the left hand air intake where it widens behind the temperature probe (the microwave radar emissions pass through plastic). Somebody will proably say that robs a few HP but I haven't noticed much if any difference.

Warning distance varies:

For a GATSO pointed away from me with nothing to reflect off and bounce it back can be as little as 50 metres but is typically better, say 75 metres.

For a GATSO pointed away from me with a car or truck in its sights to reflect off and bounce it back is typically 100 metres to 200 metres.

For cheap restaurants that microwave all their food about 200-300 metres detection (false signals are common). Actually, I don't think microwave ovens operate on K-band, but I do get as many false alarms as real alarms.  

By Falconas on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 10:59 am:  View Falconas's Profile Search for other posts by Falconas Edit this post

Just a few more questions.
a)Are the cops in America and Europe use the same protocols on their radars?
b)Does the same protector works in both sides of the Atlantic?
I have found that the best on the market are:
Valentine 1
Bell 985
Cobra 9860
Escort Passport 8500
c)Do they work with the same philosophy to detect radars?
d)Can they be mount on a motorcycle?
w?)If they alert you 100-200 meters from the radar....when going 260Kph, how many meters does Falco need to drop to 60??? 

By Fullstate on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:25 pm:  View Fullstate's Profile Search for other posts by Fullstate Edit this post

I agree w/Steeltoe. The Valentine 1 is the best one in the U.S. - lots of goodies for bikes, such as a remote visual sensor (makes it easier to stick it somewhere that you can see it while you are riding), aux audio output, 3rd party tweeter (realy freaking loud so you can hear it), front/back radar sweeps, etc.

We mounted one on my sweetie's F4i. I always let her lead the way!!

Fullstate 

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:45 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

>> a)Are the cops in America and Europe use the same protocols on their radars? <<

Generally yes. There are only a handful of radar gun manufacturers around the world and the detectors are designed to detect the output of their products. The radar detectors work over a range of frequencies, each countries police forces will use a sub-set of those frequencies. The better units allow you to set only those frequencies that are used in the country in which you are travelling (The Bel 550 car unit for example). If you are travelling in a country where radar detectors are illegal, it's worth going for the hidden types with shadow technology that make it difficuly for radar detector detectors to detect them (yes there are such things).
 

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:46 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

>> b)Does the same protector works in both sides of the Atlantic? <<

The detector doesn't know where it is. But if you are looking for features that might be useful on your side of the Atlantic, better buy one from a dealer on your side just to be sure.  

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:47 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

>> I have found that the best on the market are:
Valentine 1
Bell 985
Cobra 9860
Escort Passport 8500
c)Do they work with the same philosophy to detect radars? <<

Philosophy!! Didn't know Socrates made detectors. I don't know, try asking a dealer.  

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:48 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

>> d)Can they be mount on a motorcycle? <<

Probably, but you have to wonder how you can sense the warning they give. A unit designed for a car will have a buzzer (which is useless on a M/cycle) and a light display designed to attract the drivers attention which may or may not work on a bike depending on where you mount it, brightness, display orientation etc. I bought a Bel 550 hoping to use it in the car and on the bike, I found there was nowhere I could mount it on the bike where I could still see the display so I bought the 966 for the bike. Another thing to consider is that units not designed for a bike are unlikely to be waterproof.  

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:49 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

>> w?)If they alert you 100-200 meters from the radar....when going 260Kph, how many meters does Falco need to drop to 60??? <<

I'll leave you to figure that one out, let me know what you discover.  

By Rca on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:50 pm:  View Rca's Profile Search for other posts by Rca Edit this post

Sorry about the multiple posts. But whenever I tried to put all the above in one, only the first and last paragraph would appear.  

By Pbeachcruzer on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:39 pm:  View Pbeachcruzer's Profile Search for other posts by Pbeachcruzer Edit this post

anyone who thinks the valantine 1 beats the escort 8500 hasnt done much research. look at ANY test done by an unbiased tester and the escort wins hands down every time. that is why it has been voted the best radar unit under $500 by every magazine (car and driver, motortrend, etc). i routinely pick up radar signals (steady on) from distances of up to 3 miles. and that is in hills.  

By Brucecalhoon on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 08:42 am:  View Brucecalhoon's Profile Search for other posts by Brucecalhoon Edit this post

Current generation radar detectors are great for fixed radar and straight highway use. Don't be lulled into a false sense of security though... Many cops use radars that work on a trigger (they aren't on all of the time) and when the detector lights up, it is many times simply telling you that you are about to get a ticket unless you can evade. The other problem is that if you are riding at 60%+, leaned in a curve, and you get "painted", there is not much you can do... don't ask how I know.  

By Falconas on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:14 am:  View Falconas's Profile Search for other posts by Falconas Edit this post

Hey Brucecalhoon......how do you know? 

By Steeltoe on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 08:05 pm:  View Steeltoe's Profile Search for other posts by Steeltoe Edit this post

It is true that if the cop is using "instant on"
method,you might get nailed. But at least you have a fighting chance with a detector. My rule is, as soon as I hear a beep, I slow down or make sure I am not over the limit. If there is light traffic ahead, even with the instant on, you may get a sparse beep ahead of time, because the Man is checking this traffic too, which you should take as a threat.
No point in quarreling over which is best. The good ones all have their strong points. Like the Escort has greater range than the Valentine, but the Valentine tells you how many sources of radar, and from which direction. Each buyer needs to decide which features are most important. I know one thing: I'm glad I got one, and won't ride without it.  

By Falconas on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 01:18 am:  View Falconas's Profile Search for other posts by Falconas Edit this post

I wanted also to ask all the guys that already have one.
Exept the Bel's 966R that is designed for motorcycles, all the others (Valentine, Escort e.t.c.) are designed for cars.
So in case of rain, washing the bike, or even when you park(not to be stolen), what are you doing? Is it easy to take it off and on quickly?
I ask you this because the 966R is very expensive for me(800 euros) and maybe i have to buy one of the others(350 euros or something).  

By Steeltoe on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:15 am:  View Steeltoe's Profile Search for other posts by Steeltoe Edit this post

My Valentine is mounted on a Stemstand -(www.stemstand.com ). It has a Velcro-covered top plate which makes it easy to remove the unit. You must remove it in the rain and keep it dry. I never take a hose to my bike anyway, or ride in the rain. I only use rags and aerosol cleaners. Anyways, to remove it, I just unplug it
(phone plug type wire), pull it off the velcro,
and that's it.  

By Fullstate on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:56 am:  View Fullstate's Profile Search for other posts by Fullstate Edit this post

Here are a couple of pics to show how the Valentine 1 looks once you get it all wired up. I've circled the components in RED. Should be able to see the unit itself, stemstand, remote visual indicator (because you won't be able to look down at the unit when you are riding), remote audio connection, tweeter (to hear it when you are riding), and a thumb-switch (near turn-signal switch) to switch the tweeter from low, mute, and high.

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By Fullstate on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:58 am:  View Fullstate's Profile Search for other posts by Fullstate Edit this post

Here are a couple of pics to show how the Valentine 1 looks once you get it all wired up. I've circled the components in RED. Should be able to see the unit itself, stemstand, remote visual indicator (because you won't be able to look down at the unit when you are riding), remote audio connection, tweeter (to hear it when you are riding), and a thumb-switch (near turn-signal switch) to switch the tweeter from low, mute, and high.

all of the components
close-up of the remote visual indicator and remote audio connector 

By Richandall on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:36 am:  View Richandall's Profile Search for other posts by Richandall Edit this post

I read that the Hayabusa has stealth capability as an unintended consequence of its strange contours.

To back this up, I read recently (in a relatively sensible bike mag) that the journos couldn't get a Vmax reading for the H in a group test (using an adapted radar gun) because the signal was too weak and eventually they abandoned the attempt. The other bikes gave clear readings, however.

Odd, cos the stealth bomber comprises flat surfaces and sharp angles that reflect radar signals away from the transmitting source, like the Futura or the FJR1300, not rounded contours. And stealth relies on radar absorbing surface materials. Or so I read...

Anyone got anything on this topic?

Btw re the active jamming device Bef, we only get our vehicles impounded for bringing in duty-free belgian beer & roll-up tobacco!!!

- Rich  

By Geo on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:41 am:  View Geo's Profile Search for other posts by Geo Edit this post

I think that radar waves reflects of the metal bits (radiator, engine block etc) and it has nothing to do with the "round plastic bits".
Laser light reflection maybe could be deflected by the fairing.  

By Twowheels78 on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:52 am:  View Twowheels78's Profile Search for other posts by Twowheels78 Edit this post

I think Geo is right the plastic is transparent to the radar energy (not laser) and is reflected off of the frame and such underneath. The stealth fighter relies on radar absorbing material, usually a copper mesh embedded in the composite material making up the skin of the aircraft. It acts like a big antennae and absorbs all of the radar energy. What isn't absorbed is reflected by the structure underneath, but that structure is designed in such a way to reflect it away from the source.

One thing to consider is that if you are riding with someone, ride right next to each other. If the officer is using radar it will drive the radar gun mad. It can't make up it's mind on the speed and will jump all over the place. It gets one return off of you and the next return off of your friend riding next to you. I tried it with one of the stationary radar things they put on the side of the road here, it was jumping all over the place. That's why if you're ever riding in a group, or heavy traffic, and get pulled over and the officer used radar you can dispute it. How does he know who he got on radar? Doesn't work with laser obviously.  

By Befbever on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:55 am:  View Befbever's Profile Search for other posts by Befbever Edit this post


That's true.

If you would have a bike with lots of carbon, like the wheels and swingarm and discs and lots of plastic hardly leaving any metal stuff left for the radar waves to reflect on, you'd be safe from radars altogether!

Duty-free Belgian beer? Why don't we Belgians have that then?  

By Befbever on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:01 am:  View Befbever's Profile Search for other posts by Befbever Edit this post


Sorry, Twowheels, I was referring to Geo's post.

A trick I often use is to pass c*rs that stay in the fast lane too long using the slower lanes. Preferably at much higher speeds. I've made our coppers nail a few Skoda's at 140 mph this way!

No pun intended, Crmc33!
 

By Geo on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:04 am:  View Geo's Profile Search for other posts by Geo Edit this post

If you ride next to your friend you'll both get a ticket, and that's that.
You can always fight the ticket later regardless but that's another story.
Also every rag that's tested "jammers" found out that it's a crock, the only thing that they manage to interfere with is the other radar detectors.  

By Crmc33 on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:08 am:  View Crmc33's Profile Search for other posts by Crmc33 Edit this post

Oi!
It was you was it bef

Evryone knows that stealth is impossible until you cover up ya headlight, so as long as your headlights pointing skyward at the time they wont get ya! On a Falco+airkit, this is most of the time 

By Twowheels78 on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:18 am:  View Twowheels78's Profile Search for other posts by Twowheels78 Edit this post

Yeah, you might both get tickets. But you can fight it and have a good case for getting it dismissed. Besides I was only referring to riding side by side at say 80 in a 65 on the interstate. I sure as hell wouldn't be riding next to someone when I'm out screwing around in the country, no matter how much I trust them.

In regards to jammers it was my impression that anything that was active, meaning is transmits any kind of signal, was strictly prohibited? Radar detectors are kind of a gray area. It's legal to sell them but illegal to use them, doesn't make a whole lot of sense You don't think the lobbyists had anything to do with that law do you If the officer feels like it he can take your radar detector. At least that's my understanding of the law in Wisconsin, may be different in Florida, Geo. 

By Geo on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:19 am:  View Geo's Profile Search for other posts by Geo Edit this post

You'd need a plastic engine and radiator to be safe. I don't think that there's enough there for the waves to reflect of the fork or swing arm....
hmm another reason why twins rule!
Not only they sound like they're cruising along at twice the speed limits but the narrower engine block makes it harder to get a reading.
Other than in the Aprilia where the WHOLE front area is radiator, crap...
Bikes are hard to get a reading from than cages in general. If the radar is set for cars they often can't get the bikes true speed -doesn't stop the bastrds from lying though.  


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