|By Chuzo on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:56 pm:|
I am considering buying a BBPower EPROM.
What I have read seems good but the amount of independent info. is scant.
Anybody using one that could elaborate more on this chip?
Would I need to get new cans ? (I love the stealthy sound of the original cans)
Thanks for your help.
|By Crmc33 on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:33 pm:|
BBPower can program a chip with a map for your road cans and a map for race cans.
I run a Stage 3 BBPower chip. THis has a map for std engine with race cans and a map for tuned engines with race exhaust (richer). I run the leanest of the two maps as it seems to work the best even with the Rene airkit.
The chip also works better than the OE chip does with the quiet cans. This is probably due to the 5K flat spot being iradicated.
Overall, I would recommend a BBPower chip. It produces a good spread of power with no hiccups and requires non of the farting about with CO trim pots that certain other chips might. Unfortunately Ive not dynoed my bike but 169mph cant be bad!
Best thing to do is to contact Bernhard at BBPower and discuss your requirements. His email and tel number is on the website. www.bbpower.de
|By Dave on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:48 am:|
what final ratio you using there Crmc?
I've not had it all the way up, been to low 140's a few times. It doesn't struggle to get there but I don't think there's a huge amount left, but then I'm usually doing a rollon in top. Rene's & airkit, 15 front, 41 rear.
Just calculated that if I'm doing 100mph at 6300rpm then at 10,000rpm I'd be doing 159 and if it toped out, 167.
With std gearing (16:41), 10,000 = 167 and 10500 = 175.
So with my gearing I could just about see 169, IF it toped out and given the fact that the speedo is about 1% optimistic. With std gearing in theory 175 is possible but to top out to achieve that is gonna take more power...
All totally rhetorical of course.
So Crmc, my brain hurts now! I'm guessing your on 15:141 as you've got the roads...
|By Dave on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:55 am:|
Chuzo, appologies for wandering off topic I was happy with the results from the Renegade chip that came with the cans(hehe - earning me dinner tomorrow ) so can't comment on the BBPower...
|By Crmc33 on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 03:04 am:|
sechzehn - zwei und vierzig on Germanic concrete
16-42 is the magic figure.
Doubt that itll go a much faster on std gearing. I need a TNT and higher gearing and more gradient for anymore I think!
Stage 3 BBPower EPROM
tyres @ 4000psi (276 bar)
Linn power amplifier
Powergen HT leads
White/blue/red/purple rear led light bulbs
Helium impregnated wheels (anodized gold)
Fairly standard really.
|By Dave on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 03:46 am:|
ah! same as I had initially - very slight improvement, but as power goes up the less the ratio needs modified to get similar results. Plus your own taste of course.
Now, I'm scared to ask this but, Slick 50 and Sludge 90 - wots them fings 'en???
White/blue/red/purple rear led light bulbs
|By Crmc33 on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:23 am:|
Slick 50 is that clever product that mysteriously clings to your engine internal and coats then with frying pan teflon. Doesnt make your clutch slip either. In fact it makes sod all difference.
Good for Superdream/VF750 camshafts tho!
Sludge 90 is the name of Joe 90's dog If I remember right?
Forgot to mention that I also have(nt) got the following
Micron frock brace
chrome rad cover
Can you tell its Friday afternoon?
|By Befbever on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:03 am:|
My secret is downhill, tail wind, café in sight.
Had it up to er...I forget, think it was 258 kph or summink. I'm doing 230, 240 kph on a regular basis, this is slightly uphill and always with a rucksack. I'm on my third Tupperware breadbox now. Damn zippers .
The old thing does 262 kph on the dyno tho. 16-42. Better on the neck muscles this way.
|By Chuzo on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 03:44 pm:|
Thanks very much for the input. It would be great if they could map it for the std. cans (my own preference).
Dave, you don't have to apologize. These wandering off topic things many times contain more useful info.
Now I have to contact them to see how I pay from Louisiana.
|By Litre1 on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:02 am:|
Chuzo, let us know what you find out. I am interested in the same setup you have, and I would like to strengthen the power drop around 5k rpm.
|By Crmc33 on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:20 am:|
You should be able to find a good setup with a BBPower chip, my stage 3 chip runs very well with my quiet cans. No dips in power just smooooth torque all the way from 2000rpm to infinity!
|By Chuzo on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:26 am:|
Litre1, I will report as soon as I make the change and test the bike (Falco R 2002).
Now I have a question for Crmc33. You said that the stage 3 provides a smooth torque band but looking at the dyno graphics in the BBPower site it seems that the stage 3 produces a deeper dip in both hp and torque between 4.8K and 5.0K.
I noticed that the run was with a MILLE R exhaust system (I didn't know you could use this in a Falco). Do you mean that with the standard cans this dip is gone or decreased?
Just food for thoughts.
|By Crmc33 on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 10:48 am:|
I havent dynoed my bike just seat of the pants stuff.
I fitted my chip with the race cans and it ran very well. Then I fitted the airkit and it ran even better. I then went onto run the bike with the OE cans and expected it to run poorly but it didnt, it ran very well with no noticeable dips in the power. I think this maybe cos the BBPower chip has improved fuelling and ignition timing compared to the OE chip, particularly at 5000rpm when the OE chip is strangling the motor to keep emissions and noise down.
I bought my chip when there were less choices around. Bernard at BBP will place whatever maps you want onto the chip. One for race cans, and one for road cans. When I bought mine this was not the case.
My feeling is that there maybe chips that offer more top end power than the BBP one but its difficult to tell as it may be that the chip gives such good midrange that the top end feels weaker than some. My top speed figure also backs this argument up.
When I bought my chip I was also swung by the fact that my dealer advised me that BBPower had developed many chips for them for Bimota EFI systems. I have no regrets tho, the fuelling of the bike feels very good now with none of the snatchiness that other riders have complained of, and no need for special setting up after fitting the chip.
|By Adrian on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:03 pm:|
Just put in a BBpower eprom last week that was shipped from Germany to the U.S.. It had two mappings on it and I have stock cans. The flat spot is gone, a lot more low and mid range horsepower, smoother throttle off/on into corners, and at constant speed the bike seems to be going the same speed as before but at about 500 less rpms. very nice work. Also, I didn't have to do anything fiddly to adjust my idle.
|By Hansie on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:30 am:|
and at constant speed the bike seems to be going the same speed as before but at about 500 less rpms
|By Powermaster on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:42 am:|
Hansie, stop it
|By Crmc33 on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:48 am:|
I think what Adrian is trying to say is that the chip makes the bike run smooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth
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