|By Deksawyer on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:41 am:|
http://www.ducati-kaemna.de/uk/katalog/a122.jpg (sorry, but the procedure for posting pics on this site is a joke!!)
Price - 229 EUR, £146.423, $223.417 US. Not too bad a price.
|By Deksawyer on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:48 am:|
but I'll have ago all the same....
|By Taffrsv on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:27 am:|
WW3 here we go
|By Racerxlilbro on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:55 am:|
Taff, only if it makes less power than stock!
|By Hansie on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:21 pm:|
229 euro for a piece of plastic??
Thank the goddude Ive got the carbon one!
WW3 , count me in!
|By Racerxlilbro on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:25 pm:|
...riiiiight. Let's do a dyno shootout!
|By Powermaster on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:08 pm:|
And the Belgium jury results are???????
|By Racerxlilbro on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:26 pm:|
No Belgian jury...just mayo.
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:02 am:|
And the Belgium results are.....
Price was 90 Euro btw.
|By Nickp on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:10 am:|
Does it work then Bef ? How does it compare with the Rene kit (if tried) ? And finally, how the bloody 'ell did ya get it for 90 Euros ? (Was that without the chip ?)
|By Crmc33 on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:29 am:|
I think its called 90 euro DIY eh Bef
The Pure Tech version is a tad expensive for what it is....a piece of bath sponge and the top off a yoghurt pot.
Itll make a nice noise tho Im not sure how the sponge sitting so close to the injector inlets will behave, especially with all that hot air about (from the engine that is)
|By Nickp on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:50 am:|
Looks spookily like the Pure Tech one ??? Good work if it isn't.
They advertise the filter and chip at 255 euros. The chip is summat like 170 euros. So maybe the filter is 90 euros ish. If they'll sell it seperate ??
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:01 am:|
Yeah, it's 90 Euro DIY. No chip.
I got this filter 5 or 6 months ago.
There are no dyno's as far as I know.
It never was on my bike as I gave it to another Falconeer as a pressie.
I made the bottom alu ring to go on the airbox rim and also the top ring to hold the mesh cylinder and filter down.
|By Nickp on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:14 am:|
Who copied who then Bef ?
PS. Looks like they "destroy" a std airbox to make the kit ??
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:22 am:|
Who copied who is a mystery to me too.
My dealer had these filters made by no-toil.com and hadn't tested them when he sold one to me. I later had to return it because it was for the 02 airbox and didn't fit. He exchanged it for the proper one.
According to the 'tester' I gave it to, it made quite a difference, even with the stock chip.
The airbox remains intact. You just take off the top half and bolt the filter unto the lower half.
And for the question burning on everyone's lips: I didn't report any of this before because this is a Renegade sponsored site and I wasn't about to endorse another person's product on it. Not because it's a competitor. It isn't. It'll work fine, but never get the results of the Rene air kit for the obvious reasons.
|By Taffrsv on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:29 am:|
I didn't report any of this before because this is a Renegade sponsored site and I wasn't about to endorse another person's product on it.
|By Diablo_Mille_R on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:39 am:|
It'll work fine, but never get the results of the Rene air kit for the obvious reasons.
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:46 am:|
from the legal stuff pages:
You will not knowingly sell or pedal wares, or post links to other sites which sell or pedal wares - except those authorised by RiderSite Limited.
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:49 am:|
Rich, for the record: Jorge has promised to dyno a Mille or Falco with this filter if and when the owner sends it to him.
The result will be for insider's eyes only, as Renegade's policy is not to embarras the competition.
|By Nickp on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:50 am:|
Bef, when I said "destroy" the airbox I meant the top piccie of the Pure Tech one. It looks like the lid off the std airbox, but wi' big lumps cut out of it !!
|By Deksawyer on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 03:26 am:|
The spiel on the site where this photo came from said a 5hp & 5Nm increase. It is a bit expensive because it comes with a chip.
As Bef said, No Toil sell it a lot cheaper, but without the chip...
It's definitely a different take on an airbox mod.
|By Racerxlilbro on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:44 am:|
"Is this not supposed to be a independent site where you can post what you want, obviously not."
Gee wiz, Taff. Give it a rest. This is the only site where you can talk about anyone's product. Bef is just Renegade's biggest cheerleader...shame on you for not figuring that out YET.
More importantly, the airbox kit in question...looks like the foam does a great job of "consuming" airbox volume by being filled with foam...am I wrong???
|By Taffrsv on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:00 am:|
I know all about Bef and his loyalties, but I stand by what I posted, when I posted pic's of my homemade airkit I got slated and Bef was the ring leader.
|By Racerxlilbro on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:34 am:|
"slated" ??? Come on. All these guys have done is defend themselves against baseless, and ball-less, attacks.
I'm quite sure that if someone has/had a better idea, Jorge and his minions would want to hear about it...
As for this airbox kit...it doesn't make sense to me. If the idea is to increase volume, why would you fill the F*cker with foam???
|By Taffrsv on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:04 am:|
I think we are getting our wires crossed here,
All I did was post pictures of my airkit, why would anyone want to defend themselves from that, it was me who got the baseless, and ball-less, attacks.
As for the other filter is it not just a foam top cover with a mesh support inside ????
|By Racerxlilbro on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:23 am:|
Hmmm, not exactly the way I recall it. Wasn't there an issue about Dyno charts...
F*ck this, I have a business to run...so I can afford the newest, greatest, fastest stuff for my Falco...
|By Salkhan on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:09 am:|
I'm just going to fill mine with pudding.
|By Racerxlilbro on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:38 am:|
Or, yorkshire??? Bleh.
|By Crmc33 on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:48 am:|
...already tried Chocolate. Doesnt work Spose it could depend on the type? White/Plain/Milk?
|By Daz on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:39 pm:|
I dunno who's bike your kit is on bef but it sure is clean! Looks mint - like it's never been dropped eh?!
|By Befbever on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:49 pm:|
Hush now, Daz!
|By Salkhan on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:44 pm:|
The little rice modules embedded in the pudding allow for faster air cleaning and higher velocity creating a "ram air" effect.
I believe Jorge is testing it out for me now to adapt it to my airkit. I'll post dynos.
|By Crmc33 on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 04:58 am:|
A swirl of strawberry jam never goes amiss either.
Do Mille engines run on pot noodles?
|By Befbever on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:45 am:|
Hm, this thread seems to get everyone in a huff once again, hasn't it?
Was a bit tipsy last night so thought it would be best not to go into the WW3. But I'm almost sober now, so...
Cheerleader? Blimey, I've never been called that before. Give me an R, give me an E, give me an N, etc.
Don't have a cow, Taff. You're beginning to sound like Milkie. And look what happened to him.
|By Taffrsv on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:57 am:|
I didn't report any of this before because this is a Renegade sponsored site and I wasn't about to endorse another person's product on it.
|By Crmc33 on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 06:41 am:|
thats right, youve said enough as it is
|By Racerxlilbro on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 06:47 am:|
"No need to say anything else"
That's a fact...
|By Mental_Trev on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:18 am:|
Don't have a cow, Taff.
Quote:I didn't report any of this before because this is a Renegade sponsored site and I wasn't about to endorse another person's product on it.
No need to say anything else.
|By Racerxlilbro on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:21 am:|
Hey, Powermaster, how about a wrestling match between John and Taff...anyone want to place bets???
|By Taffrsv on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:22 am:|
answer this question with a straight YES/NO
is this a INDEPENDENT site ?????
|By Mental_Trev on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:28 am:|
No, BUT it is AN independent site!
|By Taffrsv on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:43 am:|
|By Racerxlilbro on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:33 am:|
Childish? I resemble that!
|By Mr_Venjer on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:38 am:|
You guys make me laugh
I shall keep any witty remarks to myself because as Sunshine Anderson says "I've heard it all befooooooooooore, And your lies 'aint working now, look who's hurting now, see I had to shut you down, I had to shut you down".
A little R&B song for you.
Out of interest, If someone does mention someone else's products on this sight is that allowed ? I'm pretty sure I have and if thats wrong apologies to Tomo and jorge
|By Salkhan on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:19 am:|
There's a problem with strawberry jam..
The seeds present in the suspension contain a chemical goslonium. What this does is cause interference in the balance between the intake velocity stack harmonics and ram-air charge captured in the cylinder chamber.
They only way to do this would be to place an English muffin in the bottom of the airbox because as we all know: The "nooks and crannies" capture everything.
|By Daz on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:06 am:|
Give it a rest chaps! We can post whatever we want on here as long as we aren't traders advertising right? Whether we discuss our latest homemade mods or not as the case may be is our choice surely??
If taff's kit was an exact copy of Jorge's then there would be a case against him. The facts of the matter are that you can't copyright an idea, only a design. This fact is exposed daily in all areas - just look at the car aftermarket sector for instance.
I used to work at an aftermarket clutch company and all they did was bring the new cars in, disassemble the clutch, modify it's design *very* slighty and test it still worked. If so - BINGO - one aftermarket clutch available for said car that car manufacturer can do bugger all about as the design is not identical.
Jorge I'm sure knows this and maybe this is one reason he's never really (as far as I know) got involved in the taff airkit fiasco.
Anyway, that's my 2p's worth!
|By Webhamster on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:31 am:|
Okay, I wrote the AUP so I guess I'm the chappie to explain the correct interpretation (again).
This site was created for Aprilia riders, hence the name. Aprilia riders can come here, safe in the knowledge that they can talk about any damn think they like. Unlike 'other' sites (I don't need to name them!), you won't get your posts edited, deleted or flamed .
However, sites like this don't come free, and Renegade Products pick up the tab. It's a bit of advertising for them (which I actualy have to force on them!) and they have the advantage of great feedback and ideas direct from Aprilia riders.
You can talk about any products you like.
If another manufacturer or retailer comes on here to hawk his products, he'll get an invoice from me for advertising. If he won't pay, he's run out of town (this has already happened once).
I set these ground rules, not Renegade Products. It's a simple fact that if advertising is de-valued by my giving away free advertising to every crackpot filter manufacturer who came along () then I expect Renegade Products would withdraw their sponsorship, and the site would cease to exist.
In summary, Deksawyer is encouraged to tell us about any/all products he comes across. But if Pure Tec or any of their retailers came here to tell us about their products, they'd be offered sponsorship. If they turned it down I'd expect them to never darken our door again.
|By Befbever on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:37 am:|
|By Webhamster on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:38 am:|
Occasionaly, I like to remind people that I'm always around.
|By Racerxlilbro on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:38 am:|
Well said, Hamster!
Now, I'd like to talk about my new kanuter valve. It's guaranteed to make an extra 5,000 horsepower...and it only cost $.75, Tapioca is extra.
|By Mental_Trev on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:26 pm:|
Yes, I suppose it was.
|By Daz on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:45 pm:|
B, do you do it for the Fazer?!
|By Racerxlilbro on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:00 pm:|
You bet...they need it! I'm working on a full creedisramper to go along with the kanuter valve...sort of in beta testing right now...
|By Taffrsv on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:16 pm:|
crackpot filter manufacturer
|By Powermaster on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:10 am:|
Now that IS funny, coming from you. Remind me, where did we meet,Taff? What're your credit card details, again? I don't seem to be able to find any records of you buying any products from Renegade?
you've never met me and you've sussed me straight away
"1) Several people have complained about the quality of the kit, bolt holes don't line up, carbon plate needs trimming to allow the throttle cables to seat properly, plate fouls the throttle linkage causing sticking throttle"
Re: buying stuff
You have to appreciate that this is just my opinions, and this is not the case for all Rene kits
1) Several people have complained about the quality of the kit, bolt holes don't line up, carbon plate needs trimming to allow the throttle cables to seat properly, plate fouls the throttle linkage causing sticking throttle
2) The plate does not sit flat, some have sealed with silicone some have made gaskets.
3) For the plate to sit on the throttle bodies a hole has been cut for the TPS switch to fit thro, so when the filter is added air can pass from underneath thro the TPS hole unfiltered, this can be sealed with silicone but this could breakdown with the fuel fumes and engine heat and get sucked thro.
4) people are now complaining of the plate warping.
There is no doubt the kit works but I'm not a great lover of it, but again this is just my honest opinion.
Edited by: Taffrsv at: 8/23/02 6:11:13 am
|By Rsvdave on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:20 am:|
As one of the "two gentlemen" Jorge mentions above I just wanted to clarify something. I am not complaining about any Renegade products. I have merely chosen to purchase a competitors airkit as I, personally, felt it was a 'better' product and one I would be happier using.
As far as I am aware, I'm quite entitled to pass on my thoughts on any products whether I have previously purchased from the supplier or not. I have never driven a Ferrari, a Lamborghini or a Porsche but if someone asked which I would buy if I had the money, I would express an opinion on each based on information I have picked up over the years.
Just because I choose not to buy from Renegade, and I politely express my own reasoning on a non-Renegade sponsored forum, I shouldn't criticised behind my back.
|By Powermaster on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:48 am:|
I'm not criticising you behind your back or anywhere else for that matter - you aren't one of the two gentlemen I referred to... they both HAVE purchased Renegade products.
To avoid any further confusion, the two I'm referring to are on RSVR.NET under the usernames of DEKSAWYER & STUSRSVR.
|By Rsvdave on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:57 am:|
My mistake. I had made a couple of comments regarding my Evo airkit, and my decision process before buying it, on RSVR.net and thought you were referring to me.
Do we all need a group hug now to make up?????
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:12 am:|
I don't know why I'm bothering to answer as it will as usual fall on deaf ears.
This topic is also running on another board and someone was asking opinions on what others thought of different airkits, I reply'd but refused to comment on the Rene, the lad then asked me personally my thoughts so I replied, after all thats the purpose of these boards.
Lets turn things round here, if EVO made the Rene and vice versa, it would be the Evo kit I did not like, do you think Evo would be acting like dummyless babies I think not.
You say I get my info from surfing the net, this is true it is a totally great place to further your knowledge, but what you don't know is that I have seen a Rene kit, and thats what I have based my opinions on, maybe I saw a bad one.
So once again I am accussed of slating Rene and its products, which again is a load of bollocks all I have done is state my opinion on a product that is for sale to the public.
If anyone is giving Rene a bad name its you, when ever someone says something about Rene you don't like, you jump up and down, spit your dummy and act like a insecure school girl. As you say you have sold hundreds and there is only me and 2 others who don't like it.
Your behaviour towards me has already cost you an exhaust system, I'm afraid the way I feel now I will never buy of you till I get an apology.
Have a nice day now.
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:16 am:|
Don't panic I've found them
|By Vineil on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:35 am:|
F*ck me, you lot are worse than a bunch of SV owners.
Shheeeesh, lighten up for feck sake.
|By Crmc33 on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:36 am:|
Have you just spat them out Taff?
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:42 am:|
All I need now is some Terry Toweling nappies and a Satsuma and I'm sorted for tonight
|By Salkhan on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:58 am:|
Someone needs some tapioca pudding.
To be honest, "some other company" (not including EVO because they would, too, defend their products) wouldn't give you the time of day. In fact, you'd probably get an Email back saying "Thank for your inquiry, blah blah blah, we are lookin into it, blah blah blah" - In other words to off you silly sod... so to speak.
Hey - If I ran my own business in one of the most competitive markets out there, I would go nuts to defend it as well if it were attacked. There's a fine line between passion and lunacy and I don't think Jorge is in diapers...
|By Racerxlilbro on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 06:46 am:|
Did I read it correctly? Taff is looking for an apology?
|By R100gs on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:47 am:|
Man this site is always pure entertainment!
|By Hansie on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:54 am:|
I would never understand this britisch humor
I only can say : I had a small problem with a Renegade exhaust and they solved it after one simple phonecall. Special for me they made the "bigfoot"design. No costs were involved for this service (for me that is!!). I'm certainly not an easy client! The airkit is on my Falco for approx 4 months now , working perfect!
I simply cannot believe that [a]it doesnt work or breakes down; [b]Renegade wouldnt help you out if so. Many will have the same opinion.
Jorge talkes a lot but he's does what he says (thats why he so busy)
just a Falco driver from the Netherlands
|By Befbever on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:08 am:|
Because I don't think 67 replies are enough , I'm adding one more:
Various people from this board and others (I am multi-lingual, remember?) have been aware of the existence of this filter. Because I told them by e-mail or by posting. Not to advertise, just to inform. Yet none of them opted to buy one. They all went for something else, most of them got the Rene kit.
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:33 am:|
your last pathetic statements just show what a arsehole you are.
when I try anything new I post results on all boards for all to see, eg my airkit, and quess what, this is the only board where you get crap thrown at you, in fact the 10mths I've had a Aprilia 99.9% of the shit I've seen on any board comes from the pathetic RRS.
|By Racerxlilbro on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:50 am:|
Uh oh, now we're down to name calling.
Milkie, are you back???
BTW, what makes you think you got crap thrown at you? Because you made an untrue statement that was NOT based in fact? Or, because somebody called BULLSHIT on you?
We are a really happy, friendly lot, who really enjoy our bikes and the esprit de corps and witty diatribe of like minded individuals. This site requires a certain self-effacing, self deprecating, and certainly quasi-intellectual sense of humor (right Crmc33??? LOL!). Name calling is the clearest indication I've seen yet that you are ill-equipped in a battle of intellect.
|By Befbever on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:03 am:|
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:25 am:|
yes your statement is pathetic, you've tried something new and you won't share it because you don't like me.
Racer what untrue statement have I made ?? and whats not based on fact ??
I have never slated a Rene product, I just say what I've been told, heard and SEEN. I have an Inbox on my computer full of mail supporting me in these pathetic arguments from people who can't be bothered with you lot, why do you think the other boards have more members and they don't post here.
|By Befbever on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:33 am:|
you won't share it because you don't like me.
|By Racerxlilbro on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:17 am:|
How many airkits have YOU installed?
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:31 am:|
Just the one, no need for a dremil or silicon
|By Crmc33 on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:07 pm:|
looks like it took a lot of Dremeling to me!
Anyway, Im off to try n wear out my Falco for 5 days. Will report back with details.
In the meantime, keep the battle going strong but remember that, in the words of Michael Caine in Zulu,...
"Oi! Stop Chakin those bladdy spears ...at mi"
|By Webhamster on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:13 pm:|
Taffrsv dribbled ...
99.9% of the shit I've seen on any board comes from the pathetic RRS.
Name calling is the clearest indication I've seen yet that you are ill-equipped in a battle of intellect.
I have an Inbox on my computer full of mail supporting me
|By Deksawyer on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:29 pm:|
SORRY IF THIS IS A LONG POST, BUT PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS I TRY TO DEFEND MY RIGHT AS A CONSUMER, ALBEIT IN AN OPEN FORUM ENVIRONMENT.
Below is a post, in reply to some questions and retorts on the rsvr.net site, added just to clarify my position on the Renegade products, specifically the Airkit.
I've read all the posts above this one, and there are some startling remarks from a few people (I don't have time to cut and paste, unlike some! ), and this really gives me a negative feeling towards this site - it's so damn clique, it's unbelievable. If someone has thoughts contrary to the majority, then their deemed to be a bit of a thorn in the side and talk a lot of dribble.
Every body, please put this to rest - All I Did was to post some info on an alternative airbox mod and it looks like Jorge has taken it to heart that people are finding reasons not to use his products.
Jorge, the reason I didn't call you and complain about the poor fitment of the kit, is because in my line of work you have to adapt things to make it all work together beautifully, so I felt it was within my ability to make your kit fit, within an hour or so rather than wait for a week on a replacement etc...after all I gave you my money thinking that this was a 'bolt on' performance mod when it clearly wasn't.
And please don't get the wrong end of the stick, I tried the kit, was a little bit impressed, but have decided it wasn't for me...as I say below, everybody has to do a bit of shopping around and find the product that suits there needs before deciding on what's suits them best. I'm not too proud to post 6 months down the line that the Rene kit is in fact the best as far as performance results are concerned, but unfortunately I don't think the fitment issues that a number of us have had will be resolved.
These are my opinions, which I believe I'm able to state.
FROM THE RSVR.NET FORUM:
In reply to some earlier remarks (been away on business) - I like the Renegade products - they do try hard to produce stuff that's not generally available, but was not convinced as to the performance gains of the airkit compared to the improvements that I read about by everyone else who had fitted it. But above all there's something at the back of my mind nagging that it's not quite right.
I work with the best of equipment every day, from £4000 (each) CCTV cams to complicated and expensive Cisco routers, and you know when a product is well put together. The Renegade air kit is not well finished, is not easy to fit unless you know how to open a tool box, and it's becoming questionable as to the reliability of it's ability to 'filter' the air. By this I mean the warping of the plate and the open hole at the back of the filter, as mentioned by Taff above. This combined with the apparent lack of quality control makes it a bit of a tryer, rather than a winner. And these are only my thoughts BTW, so don't try convincing me otherwise.
I'm not knocking Renegade, because they obviously have to build this to a price, otherwise their user base would be a quarter of what it is at the moment due to costs being to high...but for the money, it could be a bit more of a finished product, and by this I mean not having to faff around making sure that you've hopefully got everything fitted and sealed well.
I personally think that the new Evo airkit is the way to go, mainly due to it's apparently better filtering abilities (sealed box) but it's quite expensive as well, mind you, so is this Pure Tec kit that I posted about.
I urge everybody to do a bit of research and then buy whatever he or she think fits their needs after that - don't expect others to do it for you. A bit of helpful advice is always welcome, but you may not get the results that other people claim.
I don't want to get into the "Us versus Renegade" argument, because I've nothing to prove to them, and vice versa, plus at the end of the day, they do an alright job, but I feel there products aren't for me.
I'll sell my kit for £80 inc P&P.
Just to recap - THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY!!!!!
Right, back to my G&T!!!!
|By R100gs on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:05 pm:|
All things aside guys, I think this PureTec filter is well thought out.
|By Taffrsv on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:11 pm:|
from your last post I take it you are a fully paid up member of the RRS, so I say you should resign your post to a unbaised person, or take this shite to the Rene site where you and your like can rot in hell.
You're obviously entering into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent!
|By Racerxlilbro on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:18 pm:|
Gentlemen, I have to say this is getting a little long in the tooth. You say you work with expensive equipment? I built million dollar race cars for a living...Big farking deal. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I applaud anyone who can give intelligent reasons for choosing one product over another, and fully acknowledge that sometimes something, whether a design flaw or perception problem, turns us off to an otherwise "good" design.
I don't know whose photos are posted above, but the airkit on my Falco is much better finished. I can't believe the safety wiring job. Good lord, don't tell me you work on aircraft...I'll never fly again!
Look, I really like Jorge and the rest of the Renegade family. I reread this thread and have come to the conclusion that Taff is looking to pick a fight with Bef for the purpose of "exposing" this as a biased site. So what? WHo cares? I don't. I see it as personal attacks. At the end of the day, it's all about sharing a common interest. But, just like the schoolyard, there are going to be bullies, and frankly, kids we don't want to play with any more.
Which are YOU?
|By Exdukenut on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:24 pm:|
Racer, Taff does have some valid points. The product originally outlined is just that, another product, on the market, albeit later on the market than Jorge's/Rene's product, or for that matter Evoluzione's original sealed box extender. And Taff has every right to post his opinions of this new product, just like his own version of jorge's product. He is not promoting it as a distributor of said product and mentioned it after beff's initial post of his version. Good luck to Taff for be ingenious that he could do his own.
Have we seen Dyno's of Taff's version? Not that I'm aware of, on any site I frequent as a registered user. So Taff pls post one so we can have a look at your "product".
As to "slagging" off of Jorge's product, for poor fitment etc, you should have gone to Jorge direct, and not lambasted the product to all and sundry. I'm sure he would've been very happy to advise, or even given anyone's money back if they weren't satisfied.
I purchased one of Jorge's airkit replacements based on the simple fact that what i got was what he and others claimed, that a definate improvement would occur to my bikes power characteristics.
here are my dyno's for all and sundry to see, with the airkit, against my rSC piped and chipped version.
As to what constitutes slander, I believe that people are getting very close to it, whether you are in the states or UK or Australia.
jorge backs his products to the hilt and will obviously defend his product to the hilt, whenever it is slagged off at.
i for one, living in Australia, would love to see more manufacturers take the time and effort that Jorge has done for me, even thoughj I live some 14000km's away from him.
I installed the airkit, without any problems and I don't have any problems that you have raised. Taff, when you slag off a product beacuse you don't see it working for you, pls be aware that the are hundreds of other users of the product who are very pleased with it. You should let people know this as well, and without hesitation!
I for one also use the internet to glean valuable information, on this and other sites, as well as for work related sites. it is a great thing. But it is also a 2 edged sword, unfair comments can be taken literally, by others very easily.
Taff, when I had a problem with a specific order with a distributor, i don't go on the internet and slander the guy like you, I have spoken with the said distributor directly to resolve it, not lambasted away, and the distributor came back and made good not only with apologies but with very useful information, in fact he was emabarassed and has gone out of his way to fix/offer other inducements, on other products.
Taff, Racer, pls "kiss and makeup' you donm't do either of yourselves justice, and this is getting too long in the tooth, for us poor modem users to continue with.
I for one am an avid Aprilia rider, formerly a Ducati rider 9even though I still have one).
Go have a beer, a joint, or go for a ride, whatever turns you on. Personally I'll take all of the above as I'm all for enjoying myself.
basically get over it!!!!!!!!
|By Exdukenut on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:26 pm:|
Sorry wrong plot
|By Myapriliarsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:01 am:|
i have been reading and keeping my mouth shut...i cannot take it anymore....all i can say is i am disappointed in everyone involved in this post. i have been out spoken from time to time...but acting like 5 yr old and name calling? what the F is that crap.
I am one of the US Reps for Renegade and a fan of the product...but I never have nor will I ever bash someone that wants another brand exhaust or performance part.
Jorge works hard, makes nice products...but he and Tomo always say...Renegade is not for everyone. The absolute bottom line is we all ride Aprilia's and we should stop this bullshit!
I personally have started posting a lot less on all the sites because of the childish banter and I am saddened to see it here too.
|By Myapriliarsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:47 am:|
i also want to add one thing to Taff...by now i would think you would expect getting beat up for bashing Renegade here.
You know as well as anyone that many of the people that frequent this site own Renegade Products and will defend their purchase.
I got lambasted last Nov for posting that the FP was not a good value...and that it did not perform as promised. Well I got beat up and I actually supplied dynos to back my claim...bottom line is any time you knock a product you will get negative feedback...
i do not condon the childish behavior, name calling at our ages????... personally I think it hurts what is a great site...
next I will hear someone say...i am rubber your glue, whatever you say bounces off me and stick to you....
|By Racerxlilbro on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:45 am:|
I know you are, but what am I???
|By Taffrsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:15 am:|
I take it thats my telling off finished with and I accept and probably deserve it, but to get me beat up is a bit nasty, talking of beating up the Rugby season started today, I've got to retire its killing me well maybe just one more season.
At the end of the day we are all allowed opinions and should be allowed to voice them, we might not agree with them, but we should let them be voiced.
Anyway must go and finish my packing I'm off to the I.O.M. Manx GP in the morning for a week, should be fun.
|By Mr_Venjer on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:32 am:|
Exdukenut, good response. I agree totally 100% I believe Dek and Taff have gone a bit overboard with their responses to airkit questions. I think they could have mentioned the problems with their airkits in a less confrontational way. I am not saying they have not had problems.
I like many form my opinions on stuff I know nothing about by asking questions and taking in the various answers. I can make a decision then on what suits me. By your answers and the slating the Renegade airkit gets on different forums I would have said bollox to it, I'll get an Evo.
When Dek posted pictures and questions about the fitment of his airkit a lot of negativaty come up. I remember vividly because at the time I had placed an order for my exhaust and airkit from Jorge. I remember saying I was going to Renegade that weekend and if I see any funny business I will have to bash someone - and I meant it.
I got there and had a whale of a time, Jorge didn't even fit the airkit. The two peeps that were looking at my bike I later found out were NOT even Renegade staff - just previous customers who were there and wanted to fit it for me !!
I came away thinking that the opinion I had got from Deks post could not have been further from the truth.
Dek, instead of posting pictures and asking questions of people who didn't know shit about the airkit why did you not phone Jorge and get a prompt answer ? This just serves up fodder for people to jump on the bandwagon. Luckily I did NOT cancel my order with Rene as I WAS going to do.
I don't know if Jorge has modified the original design to accomodate any initial design flaws so now no one has any problems. Dek, yours was one of the first was it not ?
Dek, don't take this as a personal attack, I am just curious as to why you slated the Rene product BEFORE asking Jorge any questions first. If he did not reply or was rude then fair enough, slate away !!
Obviously if you did ask him first then ignore everything I have ever said
I love healthy debate, lets hit 100 posts !!
|By Myapriliarsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:34 am:|
I know you are, but what am I???
|By Webhamster on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:49 am:|
At the end of the day we are all allowed opinions and should be allowed to voice them, we might not agree with them, but we should let them be voiced.
|By Taffrsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:06 am:|
I will listen to anyones opinions, I might not agree with them, and hopefully we can debate them as gentlemen.
But just remember I was always made welcome on this site till I made my own airkit, and now you all treat me like a leper the big PUBLIC ENEMY No1
|By Brianr on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:26 am:|
Im Thinking of buying an air kit....... know where i can get one.........titter
Iv been on holiday for a week(with the wife this time Daz) and all this has happend. Im never going away again
|By Daz on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:45 am:|
Haha, I knew it!!! The RSV-R was a biggie so not only did she want a week's holiday but she also demanded it was with you!! Women!
Hope you had a good time and didn't miss the black beastie too much BrianRSV-R!
I'm not trying to derail the thread (well I am really) but I'm sat here deaf as a foc-ing doorpost. Me ears are killing me and I'm cacking myself over needing to go to the hospital for yet another operation on my ears to have gromits fitted, again.
It's not much fun when getting a cold can end you up in hospital...
Big Kev - have a great time on Monday mate and don't go the same way you went last time eh?!
PS Got some piccies to post tomorrow of something you lot may find funny.....
|By Taffrsv on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:16 pm:|
Why tomorrow ???? I'm going away post them now please
|By Mr_Venjer on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 04:15 am:|
Will the 100th post crash the server ????
Thanks Daz. I'm going the M1 route. Fitted all my racing fairing bits and hidden camera
The OEM Airkit rulez !!!!
|By Daz on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:56 pm:|
Can't - my fecking camera won't play with my pc anymore (dirty focers eh).
Good luck Kevin.
|By Deksawyer on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:29 pm:|
Kevin, you've missed the point I was hoping to convey in my rather long post above - I'm not knocking or slating Renegade products in any way, I just said that in my opinion, the airkit was badly finished and not easy to fit. I had to replace the washers on mine because the silicon that was flung on had come loose plus the fact that some of them were a different thickness to the rest.
Now I know when I bought mine, Renegade were having real problems keeping up with demand (I had to wait nearly a month from ordering to delivery), and therefore quality control might not have been as eagle eyed as it otherwise should have been, but to think that if I phoned them and asked for a replacement, I would have had to wait even longer to try the bleeding thing - and believe me I was looking forward to that...
Anyway, I'm quite happy to have had the kit on my bike - and as I said on the 'other' forum, my bike now feels slightly wheezy in the lower part of the rev range with the standard airbox, and I'm happy to admit that the kit helped in this area. It's the finish and fitment that I have trouble justifying the money on.
Peace (especially to Renegade and their followers!!)
|By Powermaster on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 03:33 pm:|
But Derek, and only now I can Identify you, I understand your point perfectly well and I appreciate your input, but why did you not call us, when there is a problem with any of our products, we do not tend to sit on it, but give maximum priority, no matter where the client lives, I am known to pick up the phone and call the client, in your case, we did not have any data, phone or email. I kept reading about your dissatisfaction and simply could not figure, why you kept writing to a Forum instead of doing the obvious and ring us. Furthermore, you went as far as stating the sale of the airkit
I tried the kit, was a little bit impressed, but have decided it wasn't for me...as I say below, everybody has to do a bit of shopping around and find the product that suits there needs before deciding on what's suits them best
|By Deksawyer on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:05 pm:|
Jorge, it's good to hear from you - but you did in fact have my email address; this was how I ordered the airkit from you in the first place.
As for stating my 'gripes' in public, I didn't start any of this, and didn't post the pics of the other airkit to get anyones back up.
OK, let's give this another go - send me an email; you'll get it from my profile I think, and I'll reply with my telephone no. so we can have a chat about replacing the kit if this is what you're suggesting.
Look forward to speaking to you....even tho' I know you like to talk.
|By Exdukenut on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:55 pm:|
i just thought I'd chime in as i wanted to be the 100th poster on this thread.
Everybody, heres 's to you.
|By Racerxlilbro on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:10 am:|
I feel the love!
Can we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya?"
|By Salkhan on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:02 am:|
How we got off the REAL topic of jams and puddings is beyond me. Man I wish you people would get serious for once. I'm tired of being the brains!
|By Zhaith on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:37 pm:|
hmmmm what more can i say other than..yawn...ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
oh and boring................
twas nice whilst it lasted but balls to it i'm off tired of this crap, time to find a new home
|By Daz on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:29 pm:|
At last, someone said it... thank you zhaith.
|By Mr_Venjer on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:14 am:|
Well, it looks like something good came from all this. Its come out into the open and maybe some hatchets will get buried. There is nothing like a good argument and I think more good has come from this particular one !!
ARS, bringing Dek and Taff and Jorge TOGETHER -
|By Deksawyer on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 04:32 am:|
Yep, I agree - I received a new airkit today and it's perfect. There, said it!!!
Seriously though - if you're considering an airbox replacement then still consider Renegade to be a valid option as well, don't let any of the bullshit above put you off (I've said this all long, haven't I??), because now I'm sure that Jorge will put (if any) problems to right.
Anyway, end of story, end of thread full of moaning bastids!!
|By Racerxlilbro on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:19 am:|
...always have to get the last word in...
|By R100gs on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:32 pm:|
Deksawyer, I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the Pure Tec filter you have purchased. No arguments intended mates.
|By Powermaster on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 01:50 pm:|
|By R100gs on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 04:22 pm:|
Give me a break Jorge. In all honesty. We have the Power! Click on me-Dammit!
|By Powermaster on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:02 am:|
R100gs, I had to laugh because of your question, you obviously got confused. Dek, DID NOT buy the Tec thingy, he was talking about his new Rene Airkit
But I'll forgive you
|By Crmc33 on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:34 am:|
If I also buy two airkits, do I get double the power boost?
|By R100gs on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:02 am:|
Jorge, thanks for forgiving me. Well then Bef, How Do you like that No-Toil?
|By Befbever on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:41 am:|
What No-Toil? I don't have one.
|By R100gs on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:27 am:|
Bloody Hell! I'm definitly in the Fog!
|By Crmc33 on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:07 pm:|
Bef always does his best to confuse everyone
|By Deksawyer on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:13 pm:|
Fuggin' 'ell R100gs, do you think I'm some kind of sadist!!!
I did indeed receive a new and most perfect airkit from Jorge (no bullshit!!) and I would hope that everyone of you who goes with the Rene airkit gets the same - let me know if otherwise and I'll give Jorge a kick up the arse......
Anyway, it's all done and dusted as far as I'm concerned, so everybody take what they will from this thread (the longest on the ARS???)
|By R100gs on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:20 pm:|
It was a honest mistake Dek. No harm intended. So how do you like that strawberry shortcake?
|By Mr_Venjer on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:00 am:|
Just wanted my name to be the last in the thread. Where is Norris Mcquirter - I am a record breaker ....... !!!
|By Racerxlilbro on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:19 pm:|
No way, man...I get the last word...ALWAYS!
|By Litre1 on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:09 am:|
I think I should get a medal for reading the entire thread in one sitting! Hope we're through. I wish personal shots were limited to PM's, I try to avoid sites that involve that teenage temper. I would like to see someone do a comparison on their personal website showing the characteristics of each system available, and how each detail affects what areas of performance. I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion on a product, I like reading about the details.
God, I feel Swiss I'm so neutral! (No offense to Switzerland. I wouldn't want to start another pissing match!!!)
|By Dave on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:45 pm:|
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